Thursday, April 3, 2008

USQuagmire and Union Faruque

USQuagmire and Union Faruque

A very interesting debate is going on over a few discussion groups. It appears some people are consciously or subconsciously muzzled by the Zionists while a few brave and determined souls are adamant to ensure all are equal under the law and moral.

The Zionist donkey bruce must understand the fact that he won’t be allowed anywhere to spew his nitrogenous wastes like very tolerant FAN. I also ask him not to participate in this debate as he is NOT capable to conduct any civilized discussion like Israelis.

--- In, "mollylechat" wrote:
RE: [USQuagmire] Union Faruque

Given the lack of press freedom in some Arab countries, and the natural reaction to Israeli actions, some of us may be moved to assume that the holocaust never existed, that all Israelis are monsters, etc.But on our list we can't insult whole religions because of the actions of those tied to US imperial policies, nor can we make death threats against entire peoples, etc, that are based on the SAME racism we denounce from the zionists.Union Faruque is no longer with us.

--- In, "Hamar" wrote:
RE: [USQuagmire] Union Faruque

violates Yahoo Terms of Service – being told to place a loaded shot gun in my mouth didn’t seem to bother Yahoo or their terms of service!

Or do the terms of service come in only when it concerns certain group of people?
“I know in Arab countries this kind of rhetoric is often encouraged, with propaganda about the Holocaust never having existed”

The Turks haven't learned the British way of denying past atrocities
It is not illegal to discuss the millions who were killed under our empire. So why do so few people know about them?
George Monbiot
Tuesday December 27, 2005
The Guardian

…………. we have developed an almost infinite capacity to forget our own atrocities.
In his book Late Victorian Holocausts, published in 2001, Mike Davis tells the story of famines that killed between 12 and 29 million Indians. These people were, he demonstrates, murdered by British state policy. When an El NiƱo drought destituted the farmers of the Deccan plateau in 1876 there was a net surplus of rice and wheat in India. But the viceroy, Lord Lytton, insisted that nothing should prevent its export to England. In 1877 and 1878, at the height of the famine, grain merchants exported a record 6.4m hundredweight of wheat. As the peasants began to starve, officials were ordered "to discourage relief works in every possible way". The Anti-Charitable Contributions Act of 1877 prohibited "at the pain of imprisonment private relief donations that potentially interfered with the market fixing of grain prices". The only relief permitted in most districts was hard labour, from which anyone in an advanced state of starvation was turned away. In the labour camps, the workers were given less food than inmates of Buchenwald. In 1877, monthly mortality in the camps equated to an annual death rate of 94%.

As millions died, the imperial government launched "a militarised campaign to collect the tax arrears accumulated during the drought". The money, which ruined those who might otherwise have survived the famine, was used by Lytton to fund his war in Afghanistan. Even in places that had produced a crop surplus, the government's export policies, like Stalin's in Ukraine, manufactured hunger. In the north-western provinces, Oud and the Punjab, which had brought in record harvests in the preceeding three years, at least 1.25m died.

Three recent books - Britain's Gulag by Caroline Elkins, Histories of the Hanged by David Anderson, and Web of Deceit by Mark Curtis - show how white settlers and British troops suppressed the Mau Mau revolt in Kenya in the 1950s. Thrown off their best land and deprived of political rights, the Kikuyu started to organise - some of them violently - against colonial rule. The British responded by driving up to 320,000 of them into concentration camps. Most of the remainder - more than a million - were held in "enclosed villages". Prisoners were questioned with the help of "slicing off ears, boring holes in eardrums, flogging until death, pouring paraffin over suspects who were then set alight, and burning eardrums with lit cigarettes". British soldiers used a "metal castrating instrument" to cut off testicles and fingers. "By the time I cut his balls off," one settler boasted, "he had no ears, and his eyeball, the right one, I think, was hanging out of its socket." The soldiers were told they could shoot anyone they liked "provided they were black". Elkins's evidence suggests that more than 100,000 Kikuyu were either killed or died of disease and starvation in the camps. David Anderson documents the hanging of 1,090 suspected rebels: far more than the French executed in Algeria. Thousands more were summarily executed by soldiers, who claimed they had "failed to halt" when challenged.

These are just two examples of at least 20 such atrocities overseen and organised by the British government or British colonial settlers; they include, for example, the Tasmanian genocide, the use of collective punishment in Malaya, the bombing of villages in Oman, the dirty war in North Yemen, the evacuation of Diego Garcia. Some of them might trigger a vague, brainstem memory in a few thousand readers, but most people would have no idea what I'm talking about. Max Hastings, on the opposite page, laments our "relative lack of interest" in Stalin and Mao's crimes. But at least we are aware that they happened.
There is one, rightly sacred Holocaust in European history. All the others can be denied, ignored, or belittled. As Mark Curtis points out, the dominant system of thought in Britain "promotes one key concept that underpins everything else - the idea of Britain's basic benevolence ... Criticism of foreign policies is certainly possible, and normal, but within narrow limits which show 'exceptions' to, or 'mistakes' in, promoting the rule of basic benevolence". This idea, I fear, is the true "sense of British cultural identity" whose alleged loss Max laments today. No judge or censor is required to enforce it. The men who own the papers simply commission the stories they want to read.

--- In, raja chemayel wrote:
Re: [USQuagmire] Union Faruque

I support Mark's action ,

but would like to stress that :
1- Holocaust did happen
2- Israels are monsters
3- the Holocaust size is exaggerated
4- not all Israelis are monsters , but the majority are.
5- we never should discriminate Jews as member of a religion provided they are practising it.


Mark Richie
RE: [USQuagmire] Union Faruque

No one is allowed to threaten mass death to entire groups of people. Do you think the zionists will not run to Yahoo with such messages and try to get the entire forum shut down?

--- In, "Hamar" wrote:
RE: [USQuagmire] Union Faruque

The question was: violating Yahoo Terms of Service “ which should apply to ALL threaten mass death to entire groups of people” I am against all violence be it to humans, animals or nature

I was sure that you would use the harvard, oxford, stanford, cambridge reasoning - when violence is targeted at brown/black skins than the numbers game card is played “ that is to say we only kill a little, I am only a little bit pregnant, we supplied only a little bit of poison - we only supply Israel with x% of weapons meaning that absolves us of any wrong doing - to this I reply bullshit. X% of weapons be they high-tech killing or not kill an extremely high % of population especially when the other side is forced to DEFEND THEMSELVES with some ill equipped weapons or is unarmed

Do you think the zionists will not run to Yahoo with such messages and try to get the entire forum shut down? “Without doubt and I haven’t called this into question. but the Yahoo terms & application be it single or mass.

I know in Arab countries this kind of rhetoric is often encouraged, with propaganda about the Holocaust never having existed, etc. “the Arabs like everyone else question the presented historical facts. You seem to apply the idol worshipping=Hollywood Arab profiling mentality and I find it extremely offensive.

This is the last post from me regarding the topic. I have made my point

Mark Richie
Re: [USQuagmire] Union Faruque

Zionists should reflect that their racist practices produce a natural reaction especially in front line Arab countries, that the entire Jewish people are racists, genocidal plotters, etc... Just as the zionists are ideologically descended from fascists, so are their actions sowing the Four Horsemen of despair and racism in a reaction that bodes ill for all of us but especially the Israelis themselves

--- In, "union_faruque" wrote:
USQuagmire Moderator and Hypocrisy

People love to express themselves freely without any fear or favor. No one likes dictation or patronisation. Some people love to kick other peoples' ball s as a fun. However, they do not like to be kicked by others!

As mukto_mona said in his article, "
Fagin of Charles Dickens was the mastermind of crimes and he used to teach kids all kinds of crimes! Yet, he had the audacity to ask kids to use civil language when he was challenged by the authority! I suppose, modern day Fagin (Israel/Jews/Zionists) will remain unpunished and poor Palestinian (Faruque) will face never-ending punishment from everyone."

Now Israel has been conducting war crimes and genocides with a stamp of infinity and no one did anything effectively to stop these barbaric and inhumane atrocities. Yet, when desperate Palestinians do anything silly in sheer frustration, everyone join in condemning them with brutality.

In my case I simply expressed my opinion about `gas chamber'. On the other hand the Israelis have been sentencing unarmed women and children in the gas chamber for the last sixty years! You people are blinded by your selective morality and went on to attack me.

My response to your totally UNJUSTIFED and immoral action (removing me from USQuagmire) would be, "history will condemn you like Stalin, Hitler, …. . You will pay the price.

I was very much surprised by your absolutely false question, "Please advise why you are leaving." In fact I did nothing. I did not leave. On the contrary, some gutless wonder conspired against me and removed me.

It becomes a must to express my utter condemnation to this gutless, undemocratic and barbaric action which suffocates free speech and fairness. However, from my experience, I found, Nazi Zionist/Jews/Israelis and closet Nazi Zionist/Jews/Israelis are good at this type of hypocrisy and criminality.

--- On Tue, 1/4/08, USQuagmire Moderator wrote:
From: USQuagmire Moderator Subject: File - Why?To: union_faruque@...Received: Tuesday, 1 April, 2008, 4:19 AM

I am always curious why people leave USQuagmire. Please advise why you are leaving. I am always open to suggestions on how to point the group to the future...

--- In, "skankthumper1ab" wrote:
Re: Messages by to kill Jews violate Yahoo TOS
Dann Slobson is a mentally ill PATHOLOGICAL LIAR who tried to threaten and intimidate others in Yahoo groups. This diseased PARASITE has no life and lost a career BECAUSE of his pathological lying. For more on Slobson see this URL: should be immediately BANNED as he works to DELETE groups that expose Israeli CRIMINALITY and debauchery.

--- In, "mukto_mona" wrote:
Re: Messages by to kill Jews violate Yahoo TOS

Fagin of Charles Dickens was the mastermind of crimes and he used to teach kids all kinds of crimes! Yet, he had the audacity to ask kids to use civil language when he was challenged by the authority! I suppose, modern day Fagin (Israel/Jews/Zionists) will remain unpunished and poor Palestinian (Faruque) will face never-ending punishment from everyone.

I welcome FAN solidarity,

--- In, "union_faruque" wrote:
Re: Messages by to kill Jews violate Yahoo TOS

Dear Dann

Your Jewish friends have been ethnically cleansing poor Palestinians for a long long time because a f…..g god gave them the right to do so. Again, your Jews have been murdering unarmed women and children with F18.s, apache helicopters, tanks, machine guns in their backyard and schoolyards! Do they violet the yahoo TOS? Or is it only an expression of opinion, not an action or even an incitement violates the Yahoo TOS because of your chosen status?

--- In, Dann Dobson wrote:
Messages by to kill Jews violate Yahoo TOS
If there are any moderators here, I strongly suggest that you either ban or place union_faruque@... or moderatored statusHis post below, advocating the murder of Jews, violates Yahoo Terms of ServicePlease take appropriate steps so that he does post similar messages like this in the future in your group
Thank you.

--- In, "union_faruque" wrote:
Dutch film 'Fitna' draws muted response from Muslims

Good comment. However I can not ignore the followings!

Reasons and Grounds Justifying Gas Chamber complements Gas Chamber Is Inevitable. So is Jews Deserve Gas Chamber, no if or but!! But, hay, this is my opinion like yours!

--- In, "Chuck Hamilton" wrote:
Re: [USQuagmire] Dutch film 'Fitna' draws muted response from Muslims

I wouldn't think that either Allah nor Muhammed is in need of anyone's defense. If so, then neither are what Muslims believe them to be. Actually I believe Muhammed in heaven would be rolling around holding his sides from laughing so hard at the cartoons, perhaps even be flattered that detractors considered him an important enough target. Such extreme reaction as going out and killing someone, or putting out a contract or issuing a fatwa, is a graphic demonstration of a lack of faith rather than evidence of it. I'm glad to see Muslims aren't allowing this to manipulate them like that.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: [USQuagmire] Dutch film 'Fitna' draws muted response from Muslims

This so called film is deliberately designed to incite violence. However, Muslims and the whole world in general are getting smarter and realizing the motive behind such a blatantly provocative initiative based on prejudice and bigotry rather than facts.

Then again, when Hitler's armies were marching along Europe, the Hollanders welcomed them with open legs! Now, they are more pro-Israeli and anti-Muslim then Nazi Zionists/Jews/Israelis!!

I suppose that's why Iranian President Ahmadinazad said, "
why do you like to punish Palestinians for European crimes"?

--- In, "Jodie" wrote:
Bruce will like this:
Dutch film 'Fitna' draws muted response from Muslims --------------------Officials braced for protests as a lawmaker posted on the Internet a controversial film about what he sees as the threat of Islam to Europe.
Some Muslims say they expected worse.
By Geraldine BaumLos Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 28 2008, 6:14 PM
PDTPARIS & mdash; A young Muslim girl in a head scarf calls Jews "apes and pigs." A nonbeliever is beheaded and another is shot. Verses of the Koran are juxtaposed with horrific images, implying that one begets the other. The complete article can be viewed at:,1,571748.story

--- In, laura siegal wrote:
Re: [freeamericanow] Geert Wilders film Fitna.... exposes radical Islam

this link was taken down, go to
http://shariahfinancewatch/ for embedded links to view Fitna
--- In, "Cheryl Young" wrote:
Geert Wilders film Fitna ....
Fitna....mischief and oppression....

[008:039] Waqatiloohum hatta la takoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahi fa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun
Quran 8:39

Fight against them until the mischief and oppression (fitna) are no more, and [justice] and religion/worship/faith becomes the domain of Allah exclusively....